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   It's time to talk about zombies. Again. (:

   So I've got this novel idea about zombies. Now, I know, the subject of zombies is hardly a "novel idea," as it has been done a lot. But I don't think it's been done truly well. I've got a lot of ideas I think are different from the stories, movies, and graphic novels that have been done so far. I just need to buckle down and start writing it.

   But first I have some homework to do. Which is be up-to-date with the "Walking Dead" series so I know what "the other guy" is doing. Netflix has the first season only -- how does one watch the other seasons? I'm pretty new to this "watching things" thing actually. I've always rented movies (back when that was a thing) and then watched them on netflix when that was a thing, but now I'm starting to find there's series I would like to watch, which aren't on netflix. How... does one watch them?
   It seems the main way They want you to watch them is their special expensive cable or satellite television channel, well that ain't happening. I ain't shelling out money on a monthly basis to watch something that will only be on at some obscure specific time, what is this, the stone age?


   And now, some of my thoughts and complaints about popular zombie media World War Z and Walking Dead (the graphic novel & tv series). I'll put it behind a cut because it will probably contain spoilers.


World War Z
   World War Z was a good read, but there were also some extremely stupid things in it. Like in the end the living win the war by making a continuous line across the United States and marching across shooting all the zombies.. WHAT??! WHAT??????? That. Is. Dumb. Really dumb.
   Lots of smaller things I thought were dumb but that, just, seriously, what?
   And on a bigger picture scale, in the story I have in mind, the living don't win. That's no fun. By the time everything is said and done, the human population is reduced to a fraction of a percent of its current levels, for example, Orange County, currently home to over 3 million people, might have two or three little villages of a few dozen people.
   In related news, in WWZ, the survivors, at least in Russia, then embark upon an ambitious repopulation project to bring the population back up. I find the author's idea that current population levels are desirable to be.. interesting.
   Interesting fact: by and large, continuously, since the end of the ice age, as the human population has increased, people have had to work more hours to eke a living out of the land. Yes, cavemen had more free time than us. A lot more. So my drastic reduction of the human population is, in my opinion, a happy ending in disguise ;D

Walking Dead
   So after hearing from a lot of people about how great this was I figured I certainly needed to make myself familiar with it. As I said, I've seen Season 1 on netflix. And I don't really have any complaints either, it was a good well rounded zombie adventure.
   Well, I was a bit miffed they pulled the exact same beginning as "28 Days Later." As far as I can gather, the author insists it was just "a coincidence" and neither "ripped off" the other. Even if there wasn't any plagiarism of ideas, I feel they both just wanted to completely shirk the most interested aspect of the zombie apocalypse, the beginning.
   And of course the movie Zombieland does it as well, though not with a coma, but they simply skip past the zombie onslaught to a point where it's all already old hat to the protagonist. So clearly this is a theme among zombie novels - they want to talk about a world zombies have already overrun, not one in the throes of it. This will be a major difference in my story idea then, because I certainly intend to cover the initial onslaught.

   I also felt I ought to read the graphic novel. I went to the library and picked up the first volume. I was surprised by how closely the TV show follows the graphic novel, with the only departures being very clear improvements. In particular, the thing with the protagonist's friend liking his wife in the graphic novel was dumb to the point of hard-to-believe idiocy (that he simply had an unrequited crush on her that he was being so weird about it that he eventually had to be shot), whereas in the TV version there's the much more realistic non-unrequited uncomfortable weirdness (and at the time I still thought he was handling it immaturely, but it's lightyears better than in the graphic novel).

   A theme I find interesting in the WD series is the survivor's "if everyone else is dead, why go on living?" mentality. Kind of similar but opposite to the WWZ "we must repopulate!," there's this idea that without millions of people on the planet life just ain' worth living. Again I don't follow.
   Compare to Cormac MacCarthy's "The Road," which is about a father and son who are nearly the only survivors of a nuclear apocalypse. I felt the subtext underpinning the whole story was that if his son could just survive, and find a girl, life would go on. It was wonderfully unsaid. And they trudge through the shocking bleakness and have various misadventures, until finally, in the end SPOILER ALERT skip the end of this sentence if you don't want to know ;) -- in the very end, though the father has just died, the son meets another family, and though at that age he shows utterly no interest in the fact that the family has a daughter as well as a son, I feel it is the totally unmentioned critical thing.
   Compared to how the mentioned zombie novels deal with the idea of survival, I like The Road's take much better. And I also really appreciate the fact that it is not mentioned, or even hinted at.

   Obvisouly different people, in the circumstance, would deal with things differently, and many would indeed despair, but I don't like how WD and WWZ both treat it as if surviving is barely worthwhile if nearly everyone else is dead.


   I suspect this is getting TL;DR here, but I have one more thought I want to get out here. One thing that made me seriously groan in the WD graphic novel was that Grimes, the protagonist, has the "great idea" to go find a gun store and raid it for guns. Because "no one would have thought of that during the onslaught." Oh please! Fortunately the tv version cut out this dumb idea. It's the FIRST place everyone would have gone.
   And that's another theme I want to include in my story -- any idea you think is a good idea, everyone else has that idea, it is therefore not a good idea. Gun shops, first thing overrun by panicked people. Even ideas that don't pop immediately to mind but after some thought seem like a good idea, yeah everyone else did that too. My story will most likely take place in OC, since it's easiest to write about what you're familiar with. Oh look at those oil rigs off the coast they sure gotta be zombie safe right? Just imagine the hundreds, thousands maybe, of little motorboats, yachts, kayaks, and everything in between. Converging on the oil rigs. Yeah, doesn't sound so fun out there with way more people than can fit on the rig trying to clamber aboard eh?

   So, yeah. I'm going to try to buckle down and make some progress on this little project. Tomorrow I'll aim to have an entry up dealing more with the plot arcs and ideas I intend to make my story out of.


Previous Zombie Episodes - the following are some entries I've written that fit right in with the zombie apocalypse as I envision it:
28 Hours Later - Zombie proof is easy, panicked refugee proof, not so much.
28 Years Later - The world begins to recover from the human apocalypse.
56 Years Later - They always said WWIV would be fought with sticks and stones...

Date: 2012-08-06 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hosticle-fifer.livejournal.com
I also didn't like the notion in WWZ that the military has no doctrine to deal with masses of infantry. Slow, shambling infantry. While they have military rifles and lots of ammunition...but their "deployment" was bad. I've heard of real-life vets bitching that this part really bugged them.

Also, it was written by the same guy who wrote the Zombie Survival Guide, a manual that gets touted a lot ("I know what to do, I've read the ZSG!"), but which has utterly terrible and uneducated firearm advice. That entire book kind of counts as a pet peeve of mine. :)

Date: 2012-08-06 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Yeah a lot of his ideas in both books weren't very well thought out. Like his basic advice to stay put. I dunno, esp if you're in a badly infested area, I think you'd be better off on the run, they're just going to horde up all around you if you stay put.

But yeah, the military has all these cluster bombs and fuel air explosive and other fun things that can pretty well clear an area pretty damn well.

And I felt like a military-tactics-nerd for listing it as another complaint, but he touted some guy as a genius for inventing the infantry square, wherein the infantry form up a square all facing outwards. First of all, that kind of idea is literally one of the oldest military tactics there is, and second of all, a SQUARE??? In a circle everyone is equidistant to the enemy and has the same arc of fire, whereas in a square the corners are way out there and have a huge arc they need to cover -- so the defensive square is a terrible idea.

Date: 2012-08-06 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
I'm not so experienced with guns, what was his terrible firearm advice?

Date: 2012-08-06 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hosticle-fifer.livejournal.com
I'm going from memory. But as I recall, the following were my big complaints:

1. He recommends using a .22 pistol, because you can shoot the zombie in the eye and the bullet will ricochet around the skull. Nice idea in theory, but imagine you're scared, amped up and running. There will likely be more than one zombie immediately threatening you. Now you're going to consistently hit a moving target the size of a quarter? With a light pistol?

2. He suggests that the best weapons are bolt-action or single shot, because they will "force you to aim" and thus magically improve accuracy. This delusion was the doctrine of the army around the turn of the 20th century, and it didn't work as theorized then either.

He states that if you have a large clip, you WILL "rock and roll" and blow all your ammo and die, full stop, period, do not pass go. Assuming you can control yourself (shit, people in combat and hunting situations seem to manage alright), taking careful shots with plenty of ready firepower in reserve is nothing but good. Having large breaks to reload may be necessary but is not better!

3. He recommends the M1 Garand as the rifle of choice, given the ability to pick any rifle. The only way I can POSSIBLY see the eight-shot, .30-06 rifle as being advantageous is if you're shooting a zombie at 300 yards who is behind a cinderblock wall at the time. The ammunition is expensive (which means it's comparatively rare post-apoc, even though it IS a staple round for large game). It's very heavy. It's thunderously overpowered for the application. The gun's integrated, stripper-clip-fed mag is kinda clumsy to reload.

How he could overlook the Garand's immediate successor, the M-14, is beyond me. The M-14 uses the still-very-powerful but slightly cheaper and more lightweight .308 round, and will accept 20-round box magazines. Hell, for that matter, on to my next point...

4. He completely fails to address civilian semiautomatic rifles. An American citizen can purchase a civilian-model, semiautomatic AK-47 for $400, or some manner of AR platform rifle for $600-800. They are in literally millions of homes, as are their ammo, although neither in the quantity that you'd find 9mm, .45, .40 and 12-guage, of course. But the latter are pistol and shotgun platforms respectively, both best used as sidearms.

The AK is extremely resilient and durable, perhaps the perfect gun for grimy, wet, less-than-ideal survival situations, even if the ammo is a bit heavy. The AR is very accurate, the ammo is lightweight, there are thousands of available accessories, and the platform has come a long way on reliability. Both feature 30-round magazines as standard. That this entire category of superior firearms for the application was omitted means, to me, that this book cannot be called a comprehensive guide with a straight face.

I also did not enjoy his section on melee weapons. If you can't get a katana (weaboo) or shaolin glaive (wtf), he recommends a crowbar. I call bullshit. I was a construction worker for 15 years. You ever try to hit something with a crowbar? There is no proper handle for doing so, one, and two, the thing vibrates like a tuning fork if you hit something solid with it. Couple of hits and your arm's numb.

He cites its use in getting through barricades, to which I retort with the 22oz California Framing Hammer. Long, flat forks in the back for prying; big broad head up front - which should be less inclined to get stuck in a skull. Available in any hardware store.

Well, this got long, but it needed sayin'. :)
Edited Date: 2012-08-06 09:45 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-06 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Haha ah thanks. As someone gearing up to write a zombie novel, these are good things for me to know. My complete unfamiliarity with firearms is going to be a setback no matter what.

And yeah, I forget everything he said about firearms ... and well, I guess I don't remember much of everything else he wrote in the ZSG either, ugh I hope that doesn't mean I have to reread it. But yeah, find a katana? good luck with that!

One interesting idea that I don't think most people will think of immediately, I was in a lawnmower shop, which also had all kinds of hedge and shrub chopping modern pole-arms and I was like holy shit, THIS place is a treasure trove of zombie apocalypse gear. I think I might deign to have my protagonist stumble upon such a store. I don't even know what half the shit there is called or how to describe it, but it was all just perfect designed-to-be-swung-at-things bladed poled implements.

Date: 2012-08-06 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hosticle-fifer.livejournal.com
I think you're describing bush hooks, and yeah, I always thought they looked a lot like polearms too!

Date: 2012-08-07 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Though of course, a lot of polearms were invented exactly that way -- peasants suddenly finding themselves in a war and finding they happened to have some form of sharp thing on a stick at hand.

Date: 2012-08-06 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ecosopher.livejournal.com
Scythes :)

Date: 2012-08-06 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
And on the subject of shooting things in the head with a 22, another tweak to accepted zombie-fighting theory I'm going to make -- people actually survive single shots to the head not terribly infrequently, and if you're a zombie only using the most basic parts of a brain, they're not going to go down like a bag of sand just because you winged the cranium with one shot ;)

Date: 2012-08-06 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gildedage.livejournal.com
I think you can get a lot of stuff on Amazon and Itunes- and just buy the season. It probably won't come to Netflix before Season 3 starts, because AMC/Whoever has to do a licensing agreement, etc. But usually the past season isn't released for sale until the new season starts, to drive up sales.

Date: 2012-08-06 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
You can buy seasons of things on amazon and itunes?? Thanks I had no idea. And I know I've been at friends places and they've put those shows on and I've been wondering, where are they getting this???

Date: 2012-08-07 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gildedage.livejournal.com
No problemo, buddy!

Date: 2012-08-06 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ecosopher.livejournal.com
Hey, got your message and unfortunately my apocalypse story is having to wait until I've finished another... mostly because my brain is mushy right now with pregnant, so trying to world-build is a bit beyond my capability (I'm struggling with remembering my children's names). My story doesn't involve zombies, although there is a 'virus' which knocks out the communications, which is a problem considering how wireless the society is. But that's due to a nefarious element which has strategically planned the attack and placed spies in the governing body, so a bit different to your idea. I hope to get back to my story either next year, or, depending how things go with my current project, I might try and work on it during NaNoWriMo. The newborn will be about 8 weeks old by then, though, so we'll see.

Anyway! Another book you might be interested in is I am Legend by Richard Matheson. The movie by the same name is VERY different so reading the book might be interesting for you. It doesn't deal with how the zombies get infected, but it does take a bit of a twist on the living vs the living dead. I really like the idea of the oil rigs. That's definitely something new and could really be interesting.

Date: 2012-08-07 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Hmm yeah I haven't seen any of the I Am Legend movies and/or read any of the books, I should put that on my to do list, thanks for the recommendation!

Date: 2012-08-07 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] technophobe1975.livejournal.com
Of course, here in the UK we have neither guns or handy gun shops so we would be pretty much screwed :)

Date: 2012-08-07 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
But you have castles! Castles are seriously zombieproof! :D

Date: 2012-08-07 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pavel-lishin.livejournal.com
You should check out Mira Grant's "Feed" - it addresses some of the points you've made, and is a good book in general.

Date: 2012-08-07 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Hmmm. I just read the summary on Amazon. It sounds interesting. I might have to run to the library and see if they have it.

Date: 2012-08-08 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
Yeah, I just came over here to tell you to read the Mira Grant books too. I haven't read them but [livejournal.com profile] liret highly recommends. Actually, in terms of zombie lit you may be missing, talk to [livejournal.com profile] liret in general. She's something of a connoisseur.

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