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   It's that time of the week! LJ Idol polls are up, and that means its also time for my weekly drama-que (polls will be closed already by our usual time of Sat morning). So throw some OMG-weiners and WTF-burgers on the grill, crack open a nice cold can of STFU and pull up a chair!

[Poll #1359752]
See also my homegame entry: Dream Home

Recommendations
   As before, the standard of recommendations is not "what entries are well written enough that someone with a feeling of civic duty to vote for meritious idol entries will be impressed" but rather "what entries are good enough that the uninterested blog bystander (blogstander?) will find it a worthwhile read?" These two things are very different standards
   Every week idolists like to fall over themselves going on about how great EVERYONE was and its so hard to decide who NOT to vote for. I'll give it to you straight, I have the opposite problem. Don't get me wrong, there were a lot of really great entries. If this was short story idol I'd be falling over myself to recommend Darkprism's entry. And on pure merit I think Alexpgp's entry is, as always, flawless -- but I can't honestly tell the uninterested reader that there's enough of interest to them in it to make it worth my recommending it to them (but if you're even slightly less than entirely uninterested, it really is a good entry).
   Basically, if you're bored and want to read some good entries, there are indeed a number of good entries. But you have to be in the mood for something more than five pages or an entry that might not interest you personally but is written impressively well.

   But I can recommend...
1. [livejournal.com profile] superhappytime's entry: The Best Thing...

Weekly Drama-Que
   Okay. I was wrong. I spoke too soon. I'll admit it.
   Last week I noted that there had heretofore been no drama of any note. Almost immediately after, shit started to go down.

   Someone posted on [livejournal.com profile] sf_drama urging people to vote for everyone but RM. And apparently readers of the community did indeed take the advice, and everyone else in idol rocketed up past [livejournal.com profile] rm. What's more, a lot of the SF Drama commenters seemed to recognize and dislike her from past dramatic episodes.
   Since then there has been some kvetching about what a deplorable occurance this was. I disagree.
   When feeling criticized, [livejournal.com profile] rm frequently notes that she believes people don't like her because she has a huge friends list that votes for her, and that this is fair (and the dislike unfounded) because her huge friends list really is only representative of that a lot of people outside of Idol like her writing. I completely agree with this sentiment (it helps that I have 451 friends-of so that reasoning allows me to feel awesome myself). However I disagree with the first part: in "why I don't like RM" I haven't really heard "because she has a big friends list that votes for her."
   But just like its totally fair for people to bring in people who like their writing outside idol to come vote for them, the flip side of that exact same coin is that it follows then that its totally fair for people who DISLIKE someone based on their writing outside idol to vote against them. Writing, or behaviour, apparently, and I think that's entirely legitimate. Apparently [livejournal.com profile] rm managed to make herself disliked by a large portion of the blogosphere by her past actions.
   One thing I've enjoyed about LJ Idol is all the existential discussions that it's caused people to have about what makes good writing, what deserves to be voted for. Really everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think most people vote for writing that looks like any kind of good writing. As I've noted, I look for writing that would appeal to the casual reader of blogs -- I believe awareness of audience is fundamentally important. I think if "LJ Idol" aspires to be more than just a small backwater community, if it aspires to actually be, literally, LJ Idol, it is important that votes ARE allowed to be effected by people's influence (positive or negative) outside of the community itself. Additionally, being a citizen of the blogosphere is more than just being a good writer, and if someone has made enemies through a previous reign of banning/deletion/freezing-of-comments terror, I think thats a wholly legitimate reason to vote against them.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 11:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardvice.livejournal.com
I for one was both involved and present. I asked her a question in the election community--not her journal--about what she planned to recommend with regards to the abuse team. This was before the trolls invaded her journal. My default icon at the time was endorsing her opponent, and my question was deleted almost immediately.

I shrugged it off at the time, though, because it was clear pretty quickly that she was irrelevant in the election.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 02:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
The 'whole story' I refer to dates pre-LJ Advisory Council and the initial reason for banning people. When the LJ Advisory election arose, there was a lot of misunderstanding about why some folks had been banned.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardvice.livejournal.com
Oh, I see. So she deleted my honest question because of some drama that happened long before I asked it and to which I wasn't a party.

Yeah, that's much better.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 03:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
I don't know why she deleted your post. My point is that there's a hella lot of history and I include myself in the number of people that don't really know the whole story. It simply aggravates me that there are folk out there who will and do jump on the hate bandwagon without personal reason or understanding.

I grok that you have a personal gripe.
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Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
If there were concrete reasons being given, then perhaps.

Posting that you dislike someone and everyone should vote for someone else is not the same thing.

Also, LJ Idol is purportedly a writing contest. Your personal axe to grind doesn't have a place here.
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Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 03:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
If people are voting for reasons other than the writing, they're voting and participating in LJ Idol for the wrong reasons.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardvice.livejournal.com
But they're still voting. And their votes still count, just like anyone who votes only because their e-pal begged for votes.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 04:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
Doing something for the wrong reason doesn't make the action right.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardvice.livejournal.com
Trying to disenfranchise people because you don't like the reasoning behind their vote is wrong, full stop.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 04:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
Um, what?
LJ Idol is a writing contest. Voting for any other reason is counter-productive.

We've seen over and over again, though, that this is not a common belief on LJ, no matter how logical it is.
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Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qa.livejournal.com
Seriously. Everyone who participates begs their flist for votes. I'm pretty sure not every person who votes bothers to read the article.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Well its a contest. I never saw it officially billed as a "writing contest." It's "LJ Idol" and from that I would gather that it's a contest of everything it takes to succeed at LJ.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardvice.livejournal.com
My point is that you don't really know who does and doesn't have a "personal gripe", so it's a bit silly to say that "[m]ost people who have a negative opinion or who criticize rm for banning people were neither involved nor present way back when to know the whens and why of the whole story."

If we're going purely on anecdata, which we seem to be doing, I'd say the exact opposite: most people--in fact, all of the people I know personally--who have a negative opinion formed that negative opinion from direct personal interaction with her.

Obviously, neither your statement nor mine is particularly well substantiated in any way that the other person can verify. You see why this is a problem?

Meanwhile, in my opinion the idea that a "hate bandwagon" exists merely serves to shore up what I perceive as her massive persecution complex.

Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-06 04:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
What I've seen, personally, is an instance where someone has said, "I don't like RM, vote for so-and-so," and others have commented, "I don't know what's going on, but I voted against her anyway."

I saw this in the LJ Advisory Council elections, too - people acting badly and saying they were doing it 'for the lulz'.

I have no patience, time, or respect for that.

Again, I do get that there are people out there that have had negative interactions with RM, and people that she's had personal issues with. Welcome to the human condition! We don't all get along.

FWIW, while I've seen RM write about internet conflict, I have never seen her cry victim or say 'no one likes me because I'm popular', nor do I see a persecution complex.

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