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   It's that time of the week! LJ Idol polls are up, and that means its also time for my weekly drama-que (polls will be closed already by our usual time of Sat morning). So throw some OMG-weiners and WTF-burgers on the grill, crack open a nice cold can of STFU and pull up a chair!

[Poll #1359752]
See also my homegame entry: Dream Home

Recommendations
   As before, the standard of recommendations is not "what entries are well written enough that someone with a feeling of civic duty to vote for meritious idol entries will be impressed" but rather "what entries are good enough that the uninterested blog bystander (blogstander?) will find it a worthwhile read?" These two things are very different standards
   Every week idolists like to fall over themselves going on about how great EVERYONE was and its so hard to decide who NOT to vote for. I'll give it to you straight, I have the opposite problem. Don't get me wrong, there were a lot of really great entries. If this was short story idol I'd be falling over myself to recommend Darkprism's entry. And on pure merit I think Alexpgp's entry is, as always, flawless -- but I can't honestly tell the uninterested reader that there's enough of interest to them in it to make it worth my recommending it to them (but if you're even slightly less than entirely uninterested, it really is a good entry).
   Basically, if you're bored and want to read some good entries, there are indeed a number of good entries. But you have to be in the mood for something more than five pages or an entry that might not interest you personally but is written impressively well.

   But I can recommend...
1. [livejournal.com profile] superhappytime's entry: The Best Thing...

Weekly Drama-Que
   Okay. I was wrong. I spoke too soon. I'll admit it.
   Last week I noted that there had heretofore been no drama of any note. Almost immediately after, shit started to go down.

   Someone posted on [livejournal.com profile] sf_drama urging people to vote for everyone but RM. And apparently readers of the community did indeed take the advice, and everyone else in idol rocketed up past [livejournal.com profile] rm. What's more, a lot of the SF Drama commenters seemed to recognize and dislike her from past dramatic episodes.
   Since then there has been some kvetching about what a deplorable occurance this was. I disagree.
   When feeling criticized, [livejournal.com profile] rm frequently notes that she believes people don't like her because she has a huge friends list that votes for her, and that this is fair (and the dislike unfounded) because her huge friends list really is only representative of that a lot of people outside of Idol like her writing. I completely agree with this sentiment (it helps that I have 451 friends-of so that reasoning allows me to feel awesome myself). However I disagree with the first part: in "why I don't like RM" I haven't really heard "because she has a big friends list that votes for her."
   But just like its totally fair for people to bring in people who like their writing outside idol to come vote for them, the flip side of that exact same coin is that it follows then that its totally fair for people who DISLIKE someone based on their writing outside idol to vote against them. Writing, or behaviour, apparently, and I think that's entirely legitimate. Apparently [livejournal.com profile] rm managed to make herself disliked by a large portion of the blogosphere by her past actions.
   One thing I've enjoyed about LJ Idol is all the existential discussions that it's caused people to have about what makes good writing, what deserves to be voted for. Really everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think most people vote for writing that looks like any kind of good writing. As I've noted, I look for writing that would appeal to the casual reader of blogs -- I believe awareness of audience is fundamentally important. I think if "LJ Idol" aspires to be more than just a small backwater community, if it aspires to actually be, literally, LJ Idol, it is important that votes ARE allowed to be effected by people's influence (positive or negative) outside of the community itself. Additionally, being a citizen of the blogosphere is more than just being a good writer, and if someone has made enemies through a previous reign of banning/deletion/freezing-of-comments terror, I think thats a wholly legitimate reason to vote against them.

Date: 2009-03-05 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agirlnamedluna.livejournal.com
So who do you have to screw to get a recommendation here? LOL

I think it's important to note that actually a "noble" (I don't know this person so I cannot comment on their true intentions) cause backfired last week. The post before it was edited either had a comment or an icon asking people to vote for [livejournal.com profile] brightflashes and against [livejournal.com profile] rm, but only when said person realised how badly this reflected on [livejournal.com profile] brightflashes and how it put her in an uncomfortable spot, did they ask everyone to vote for everyone BUT [livejournal.com profile] rm.

That said - it's Idol. To give an example: Belgium once sent a girl who couldn't sing 2 straight notes after one another to the European Song Festival (which is nothing more than a kitsch gathering where neighbouring countries vote for each other) ... the only reason said "singer" made it through the televoting was because a) the audience of the TV show was pretty low and b) she had called upon her church community to vote for her.

Since then when it's Wallonia's turn to send a singer to the Festival, they have a professional jury. Flanders, where the audience is large enough so that a church community will not have such a decisive influence, still does televoting.


Just a note.

Date: 2009-03-05 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Haha thats funny about the European Song Festival malarkey. She must have "posted the polls" in her church. ;D

Date: 2009-03-06 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agirlnamedluna.livejournal.com
LOL well that's exactly what she did :P

Date: 2009-03-06 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
That actually kind of occured to me as a potential LJ Idol "trick" someone might be doing -- if they lived in dorms or something where there were a number of other people with LJs about they could post a reminded to vote on some kind of physical bulletin board IRL and we'd have no way of figuring it out! O=

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Date: 2009-03-05 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Also (in re recs and constructive criticism), your paragraphs were too long :D
Edited Date: 2009-03-05 06:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-03-05 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agirlnamedluna.livejournal.com
Hopefully it will go through this time ...


I really should make it a point to write/post earlier (if I survive another week that is) because things like this are interesting ... I actually thought they were on the shortish side and didn't want to start a new one every other phrase.

Date: 2009-03-06 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Incidently I was just thinking I really ought to read people's entries earlier (I usually wait till the poll is posted so I can just read and vote at the same time) so that my feedback can actually be useful. (=

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Date: 2009-03-07 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agirlnamedluna.livejournal.com
Well I totally worded that wrong - what I wanted to say is that you had no bad intentions towards [livejournal.com profile] brightflashes when you posted it, I did realise you didn't particularly care much for [livejournal.com profile] rm - but while it could be perceived that at the same time you were trying to shine a negative light on [livejournal.com profile] brightflashes, it was not your intent at all.

Agreed with your recommendations.

Date: 2009-03-05 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kenakeri.livejournal.com
I liked [livejournal.com profile] superhapytime's entry this week, it helped me gain a little perspective.

I'm on the internet to lime. Drama takes away from that, because I'm stupid soft and don't like to see anyone upset/mocked/attacked.

Re: Agreed with your recommendations.

Date: 2009-03-05 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Yeah. One of my friends jokingly referred to me as "the king of drama" the other day just on account of my weekly series here, But really, I do it because I think it actually helps to talk about things. When people are sitting around stewing they get entrenched and alienated from one another. So I've started doing this weekly airing out ot the LJ Idol laundry to kind of put it all out there.

My advice for everyone to avoid drama is: (a) don't presume that the unwritten rules you believe in should apply and be accepted by everyone. This is a source of much drama. (b) ESPECIALLY don't try to "enforce" your beliefs on others by means such as strongly worded diatribes to community entries or campaigns of terror involving makign someone's life hell by putting their info out there and encouraging people to contact them. Note that my opinions expressed in this entry are carefully frames as just an opinion.

Also, thanks. (=

Re: Agreed with your recommendations.

Date: 2009-03-05 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kenakeri.livejournal.com
I do it because I think it actually helps to talk about things.

I recognise that. :-)
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Date: 2009-03-05 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
I really, really think that your line "Apparently [info]rm managed to make herself disliked by a large portion of the blogosphere by her past actions."> doesn't come close to the entire story. If we are going to hew to the mantra of there being two sides to every story, then I feel compelled to point out that the particular section of the blogosphere complaining about getting banned from her journal and freezing comment threads were banned and frozen because of the incredible slurs and personal attacks they were throwing around in her journal as well as harassing other people commenting in her journal.

Other Side

Date: 2009-03-05 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Duly noted. I don't actual know anything about that except what I'm gathering now. I will say, however, that it still fits under the category of "past actions" because one way or another those people came to dislike her (possibly before she had to ban/delete/freeze them then). Thanks for the heads up on that though.
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Re: Other Side

Date: 2009-03-05 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
So it's okay for these folks to hate her and try to get her voted out of something that doesn't have anything to do with them because she banned them due to the fact they were calling her names like tranny faggot because of her user icon? Are you serious?

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Date: 2009-03-05 07:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
A great deal of the drama-poop storm has to do with people having little understanding of past events. Most people who have a negative opinion or who criticize [livejournal.com profile] rm for banning people were neither involved nor present way back when to know the whens and why of the whole story.

Myself included.

It is extremely frustrating to see people jump on the hate wagon when, really, they have no blessed idea what the heck is going on.

That is, IMO, the foundation of the LJ Idol drama over the past week or so. People love drama, they jump on the bandwagon, and poof! You have a poop storm based on very little other than, "Waaah, I don't like so-and-so, you shouldn't either." Which is pretty much what I saw happening during the LJ Advisory drama - and is something said dramamongers bragged about, as in 'it's all about the LULZ,' which was bandied about quite a bit last year. And that brand of poop is something I personally have neither time nor patience for.

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Date: 2009-03-06 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardvice.livejournal.com
This. Trolls don't operate in a vacuum. They're like sharks: they wait until they smell blood before they swarm in.

In this case, the drama was already well in place before the trolls descended on her journal, and it began with [livejournal.com profile] rm deleting any comments in the election community left by people with [livejournal.com profile] jameth icons, including legitimate questions, and crying "troll".
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Date: 2009-03-05 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkprism.livejournal.com
Wait...it's NOT a short story competition?!

FUCK!

I've been doin' it wrooooong...

Well, that's disheartening.

~*~

Date: 2009-03-06 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kf4vkp.livejournal.com
Personally, I haven't had time to vote or keep up with LJ Idol since I dropped due to real life...Spring break started today, which is the reason I'm reading posts about it now...

I heard about the issue last week because Brightflashes is on my friends list, I however didn't hear about the ins and outs. Frankly, I don't think I once voted for rm when I was playing because her writing always seemed too stiff for me.

I think that getting people to vote for people other than a person is no different than pimping yourself, or getting your friends to pimp you out to folks. When you do that, you're asking them to vote for you and not someone else...when you ask your friends to pimp you too because you don't want to lose, you're obviously asking them not to vote for others because if they voted for everyone they'd just be adding numbers and keeping the vote ratios the same.

All the Same

Date: 2009-03-06 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emo-snal.livejournal.com
Exactly. Its all the same.

And you should always just vote for the people I recommend ;D

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